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Bastion Arzi
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Posted - 2015.11.09 16:01:25 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote: I submit that links are fundamentally at odds with PVP, and further that they destroy PVP content by removing a critical part of PVP, which is choosing your fights. Links change the capabilities of ships so much that they effectively destroy the ability of the pilot to know what they are fighting, and what chance they have of survival.
No. becuase u should always assume links. when u see a ship coming on dscan automatically assume it will web at 16 and scram at 14. unless garmur or orthrus or lachesis/arazu and some other eaf ive forgotten the name of
Pestilen Ratte wrote:Links change this completely. You think you face a tech 1 frigate. You have no idea that it has a much better tank than a tech 2 assault frigate, with more DPS, and can easily destroy 3 or 4 unlinked players by itself. stating that they get a much better tank than a t2 assault frigate is nonsense. period. also links do not affect ur dps check ur info. i would hazard that even with links i would die to 4 unlinked players unless i was kiting. in that case the extra speed and possibly lock range are most welcome.
Pestilen Ratte wrote:The only way to avoid off grid linked players is to never fight in a system where you don't know exactly where everyone is, or who and what they are. In other words, stay away from any system where there is more than one enemy or neutral, or where you can't see everyone in local on grid.
THAT is what links do for PVP. If you are serious about choosing your fights, those become the rules. Otherwise, your only option is to use off grid links yourself. At that point, PVP becomes inaccessible for new players, and small gangs are massively disadvantaged because they need to pay for an alt.
i played the game for almost 3 yeard before getting an alt. i feel ur pain, but i didnt lose every fight. indeed i still had a very positive kb iirc. its not impossible to win, and its not impossible to survive. u need experience.
Pestilen Ratte wrote:So, these are the three big problems with off grid links:
1. They destroy the ability to know what you face, and to choose your fights. 2. They completely unbalance PVP, making ships that would die 1 v 1 capable of taking on 3 or 4 enemy with ease. They are not subtle, but rather they are designed to make solo ships essentially invulnerable in small gang pvp. 3. They can't be countered, short of engaging in an arms race that has nothing to do with piloting and everything to do with spending isk, and time, in the pursuit of simple PVP.
1. no, see above 2. no that would be pilot skill. i'd dare say a noob with links will still die vs 3 or 4 unlinked vets. 3. you have defeatist attitude. not everyone has links. links wont win u every fight. they give u an edge.
Pestilen Ratte wrote:But let us not ignore the real problems with Eve, and with the culture at CCP. Last week I logged on and jumped into a navy faction frigate, and went to meet my corp 6 systems away. I was insta popped by TWO svipuls at the first gate, then podded. umm looking at the km. u got hit with artilllery on a svipul. pretty sure thats like 2k alpha, per shot. unless those svipuls were being remote sebo'd this loss shows that u are inexperienced.
when u jump through a gate. u need to assess what is around u. if u are in an unplated frig 90% of the time u can just warp off. the fact thaat you were caught means either remote sebo, or that u need to learn how to get off a gate like that. |

Bastion Arzi
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Posted - 2015.11.10 19:14:32 -
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same sort of thing someone said when i posted a thread asking ccp not to nerf the mach few years ago. |

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Posted - 2015.11.12 10:46:20 -
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switch is correct but i wont believe it impossible with some bling to achieve that speed. might be wrong |

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Posted - 2015.11.12 12:08:14 -
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yes, with snakes and zors ofc |

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Posted - 2015.11.12 18:33:18 -
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http://i.imgur.com/iI1pOh5.png
links coming on grid? |

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Posted - 2015.11.12 18:54:32 -
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yea the gallente and minmitar ones look like they will be the most popular. wish i had more info |

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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:46:03 -
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why dont people just probe down the links and kill them?
its not as if it cant be done |

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Posted - 2015.12.22 21:21:40 -
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i was warned of this. |

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Posted - 2015.12.23 09:22:16 -
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you leave ur links in a safe you ARE taking a risk, u leave ur links on gate u ARE taking a risk same on a station now that command destroyers are here.
and u dont need a full probing set of implants that kill i posted i didnt have scanning implants. i guess he wasnt fit quite right but its still proof that not everyone is min maxing everything and that links can be killed.
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